This is an experimental installation on a free hosting. Data saving is not guaranteed!
Pentru moment aceasta instalare este experimentala si nu garantam salvarea mesajelor postate!
It is currently Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:25 am

All times are UTC + 2 hours

Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:36 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317
viewtopic.php?p=1101#p1101 Cosci: From another MISA forum, I took the following translation of a talk between Mihai Stoian and a few inquisitive people:


Question: Hello Mihai, we will all meet 19h, would you like to participate at our meeting? I was thinking to start with a Tara-medi.
Mihai Stoian: it is a good idea
Mihai Stoian: start with Tara meditatino
Mihai Stoian: and if you have any questions i am online
Question: thank you very much, then we talk later
Question: dear Mihai, we started the meeting
Question: The discussion is about the video which was published
Mihai Stoian: ok
Question: Why was it published, why didn�t G. prevent it and why doesn�t he know who is the publisher
Question: are the questions right now
Question: also, why was it published from the agency which also published your video?
Mihai Stoian: you have to understand how these publishers are working
Mihai Stoian: they are taking the row material and they are making the final "movie"
Question: why could they use the material from the Miss?
Mihai Stoian: this material was split in two parts
Mihai Stoian: very clear
Mihai Stoian: 95% of the persons agreed to make some material for eventual future films
Mihai Stoian: or other public display
Mihai Stoian: and they were giving writen statements
Mihai Stoian: the rest of 5% (it is a rough estimation) were placed separately
Mihai Stoian: so it will not be any mistake
Mihai Stoian: in the 2004 events
Mihai Stoian: a lot of material was taken from sophrozin studio
Mihai Stoian: and also some of the writen material
Mihai Stoian: it is enough to call that company
Mihai Stoian: and tell them that you have some extra materials
Question: who made the written statements?
Mihai Stoian: and they will buy them and make DVD's
Mihai Stoian: the people that were preparing the filming
Mihai Stoian: made the writen statements
Mihai Stoian: G insisted that there are no persons that dont agree to be in this project
Mihai Stoian: by mistake put there
Question: 95% of who agreed to make material for future films?
Mihai Stoian: in two years i saw myself this
Mihai Stoian: yes there were those that agreed
Question: ok
Mihai Stoian: there are some elements about which we dont know now....
Mihai Stoian: G said that more than sure those that took the tapes from sophrozin were giving them to somebody who took advantage
Mihai Stoian: it is easy to think about the same company
Mihai Stoian: becasue they are the only one that have to logo and everything
Mihai Stoian: and can use directly the raw material
Mihai Stoian: otherwise if you go to another company you need to provide an entire set of materials
Mihai Stoian: before they agree to publish it
Mihai Stoian: but these guys they have from previous movies everything
Mihai Stoian: also you have to be aware that from the movies that i participate into there was no income for any private person
Mihai Stoian: actually the whole contract is 1500 euro .... for an entire movie
Mihai Stoian: that is why the whole system is so low about erotic movies
Mihai Stoian: the prices are misserable
Mihai Stoian: we just wanted to start something good ....
Mihai Stoian: and like anything that is in the begining... need to find its way
Mihai Stoian: but it is clearly not a bussiness
Mihai Stoian: that is it...
Mihai Stoian: anything else?
Question: �...� says that a friend of her who participated was told that only Grieg would see the movie, although she signed the contract that the material could be used
Mihai Stoian: i dont think it is a real story
Mihai Stoian: there are a lot of situations when people are reacting like this
Mihai Stoian: maybe she didnt understood
Mihai Stoian: i know what was said to these persons
Mihai Stoian: and signing a paper is a responsible act
Mihai Stoian: if she is saying that she sign a paper but she was told otherwise i tend to believe that she is either she misunderstood or she was not told like this and she is inventing
Mihai Stoian: i have had some similar experiences recently: some people are now claiming that they have a contract that i made with several people to go in sweden and to work for me
Mihai Stoian: and i took all the money and they return home with nothing
Mihai Stoian: in sweden they were working in the forest cutting wood
Mihai Stoian: but i never heard about such thing!
Mihai Stoian: never knew that such thing exist
Mihai Stoian: therefore i tend to believe that it is an exageration also this with that girl
Mihai Stoian: becasue if she was signing a paper....why she didnt ask on the spot the meaning of it
Mihai Stoian: since only G was supposed to see that tape
Mihai Stoian: and there were repededly announced that those that do not want to participate to future projects
Mihai Stoian: should say it clear
Mihai Stoian: otherwise they should sign the contract
Mihai Stoian: it doesnt make sense to story
Mihai Stoian: but there are many similar stories like that now
Mihai Stoian: i am not saying that it was not possible also that one of the persons that were making the announcements was maybe a little fogy
Mihai Stoian: and unclear
Question: �...� is asking how can this happen with material which was produced in a consecrated act, and in general, why doesn�t Grieg take care that things like this don�t happen, As these things are so dangerous and could destroy the school.
Mihai Stoian:
Mihai Stoian: try to see the large perspective .... not only pretend to see it
Mihai Stoian: if it wasnt this situation
Mihai Stoian: you wouldnt have somany serious questions about your spiritual future
Mihai Stoian: and perhaps you will still believe blindly in something that is not as you think
Mihai Stoian: now you have the chance to question your path and to take ca conscious decision
Mihai Stoian: so all in all it is a good outcome
Mihai Stoian: this is how i understand integration
Mihai Stoian: and on the spiritual path you cannot judge in a limited way
Mihai Stoian: separating the fact in small boxes that your mind is making
Mihai Stoian: and also G is not a magician
Mihai Stoian: he is a spiritual master
Mihai Stoian: a magician is using magic in order to perform actions in his advantage
Mihai Stoian: a spiritual master is performing actions that are integrated in a magincal way into the universal harmony for the benefits of all universe
Mihai Stoian: even Jesus didn't save judas from betrayal
Mihai Stoian: and from decadence
Mihai Stoian: and he even didn't save Himself... apparently for the ignorant ones
Mihai Stoian: that is how i see these aspects
Mihai Stoian: if there is anything more please ask now because soon i have to go to the class...
Question: One last question
Question: How can it be that people get ill after being with him?
Mihai Stoian: do you think that the tibetans are bad or they are not doing anything integrated in their country? becaue if you analyze from that perspecive that you put... they must do something terrible wrong in tibet since it is happening with them that chinese invasion .....
Mihai Stoian: ill?
Mihai Stoian: what do you mean ?....
Question: veneral
Mihai Stoian: about this i cannot give you his explanation .... because we didn't have the occasion to talk about this
Mihai Stoian: however i have some explanations about this phenomena
Mihai Stoian: that are from my experience
Question: thx
Mihai Stoian: but it is not necesary covering what is happening with him
Question: but what could be explanations?
Mihai Stoian: i have noticed that in my case .... something similar was appearing
Mihai Stoian: i was told
Mihai Stoian: but i was doing analysis and it was NOTHING there
Mihai Stoian: also i did preventively treatment with alopat medicine... just to be sure!
Mihai Stoian: and aparenlty didnt help
Mihai Stoian: then i started to study the phenomena
Mihai Stoian: and i have discovered many aspects ... very interesting!
Mihai Stoian: sometimes the women i have been with were becoming very open and quite active sexually
Mihai Stoian: without any protection they were starting to have contacts with some other men ... but they were still condering that with me is the "meeting"
Mihai Stoian: and then i send the other man to doctor and surprise: he was the one that was giving the problem....
Mihai Stoian: but in the begining she was almost swering that she is getting the illness from me
Mihai Stoian: another kind of situation was the stress problem
Mihai Stoian: due to the intense emotions
Mihai Stoian: the woman was stressed
Mihai Stoian: without noticing
Mihai Stoian: a kind of secret ego trip....
Mihai Stoian: most of it caused by the thoughts like "look, i am with a yogi VIP!"...of course manifested subconsciously
Mihai Stoian: and this combined with the fact that the kind of "micriorganisms" that i have are slightly diffrent than normal
Mihai Stoian: generated the propper conditions for a kind of attack
Mihai Stoian: without relly having the illness there given by somebody
Mihai Stoian: i have made experiments in diffrent ways to solve this mistery and it was clear the result
Mihai Stoian: even for the women that in the begining were sure that i was the source of the problem .....
Mihai Stoian: interesting is that always the problem were occuring in the case of persons that were manifesting some disharmonies and inhibitins (even hidden) toward our relatioship
Mihai Stoian: this is what i can tell
Mihai Stoian: i have studied also the diffrent dissease and how they are generated
Mihai Stoian: and the theory is fitting with what i said here... and with the practical examples that i dont have time here to develop....
Question: thanky you very much
Question: the rest will be collected and sent as a letter
Mihai Stoian: good
Question: or solved ( hopefully ) in personal talks
Mihai Stoian: try to focus on the aspects that really matter
Mihai Stoian: and to see the whole perspectie
Mihai Stoian: perspective
Mihai Stoian: because it is a great challange now for all the people ... this time of rummors
Mihai Stoian: and dont forget that this rummors test is a test of swadhistana
Mihai Stoian: and can be passed if you focus on the essential aspects and you dont get lost in all the details ....
Mihai Stoian: you can always find someting that was in detail not very clear and there you will find your way to hide your wekneses and doubts
Mihai Stoian: i wish you all a fruitfull talk and i embrace you with Love
Mihai Stoian: bywe
Question: thank you very much
Question: from everybody
Mihai Stoian has signed out. (8/20/2007 8:11 PM)

Allow me to have the cheek to believe that this discussion took place after that we, cosci, posted these tremendous revelations about the fact that the agency that commercialize the porno-spiritual film of Mihai Stoian (with stage name … or bed name? Paul Diamond), commercialize also the films with pee in which are showed the sequences filmed by the participants to the Miss Sakti contest… here on forum, on this address http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?sh ... &p=3643812
And, because I was sure that the history is rewritten – this apropos of the discussion “no, you!” – “not al all” that I had wit Aurel earlier... – I recommend you to see the printscreens from the end of the above mentioned post and to enter on the kubera site on the erotic films and you’ll see that the film with the tests from Miss was removed from the list of tantric films http://www.kuberashop.dk/shop/tantriske-film-30c1.html .
But I can’t avoid noticing one more thing – The agency that produced the films maybe do not belong to the yogis, but the kubera site is for certain theirs… so if there also was sold Exaltation of pee… I think it’s sure that they gave it for sale to the agency and not the prosecutors!
But for understanding this… you have to pass a test on ajna… not only the one on swadhistana ... (ranslated by cos)

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:37 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317

Deria Leena (8/9/2007 11:59:43 PM): Mihai
Deria Leena (8/9/2007 11:59:47 PM): may I ask you something?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:06:03 AM): yes
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:06:30 AM): did Grieg know from the beginning about the movie you made?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:06:37 AM): did he agree with it?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:06:46 AM): with its production and release?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:08:27 AM): he knew
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:08:54 AM): its release is not a topic of interest in our discussions
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:09:29 AM): why not?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:09:37 AM): the movie was supposed to be an educational one, wasn�t it?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:09:43 AM): but he knew I intend to do something to change the conception
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:09:53 AM): the movie itself is a sketch
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:09:58 AM): nothing but a beginning
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:10:14 AM): it�s not something final, just the first attempt
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:10:18 AM): but shouldn�t it have been somewhat different, still?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:10:28 AM): there are many opinions, that�s for sure
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:10:33 AM): common people don�t know anything about sexual continence
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:10:42 AM): nor do they understand it from your movie
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:10:59 AM): if there had been a series, as it was announced� things would have been different
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:11:05 AM): a series?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:11:10 AM): there should have been a series?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:06:46 AM): still with you?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:11:17 AM): but this way� what can you understand from a lesson which has just begun
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:11:24 AM): why wasn�t it made anymore?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:12:02 AM): because those things from 2004 started�
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:11 AM): I see
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:12:15 AM): and because people mobilize themselves difficultly
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:12:31 AM): and it�s a new field, still being tested
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:36 AM): so Grieg knew you were about to make at least one spiritual movie
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:12:37 AM): it�s not easy
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:39 AM): but
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:49 AM): how was this movie going to be distributed?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:52 AM): did you talk about it?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:12:57 AM): or was it just for internal use?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:13:10 AM): no
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:13:17 AM): I wasn�t talking about it with him
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:13:25 AM): why not?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:13:29 AM): was it your initiative?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:13:37 AM): because there wasn�t anything sure at the time
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:13:44 AM): oh, nothing sure
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:13:45 AM): it was the initiative of several people
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:13:52 AM): nothing finalized
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:13:58 AM): I got there� by the influence of several circumstances
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:14:01 AM): but the movie was released on the market
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:14:05 AM): who released it?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:14:16 AM): and why, if it was nothing but an attempt?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:14:22 AM): the movie, as it is now, is just the cover of a book
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:14:36 AM): or better said a draft for a cover
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:14:54 AM): but why was it released then?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:14:57 AM): if it�s not finalized?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:15:19 AM): did you agree with it?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:15:39 AM): it�s more complicated
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:15:48 AM): explain it to me
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:15:55 AM): what we see is half a project
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:00 AM): or a quarter of it
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:03 AM): we don�t know, exactly
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:11 AM): so no conclusion can be drawn
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:34 AM): it�s just like one would see the scaffolding from an abandoned construction
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:50 AM): and would start making estimates about the final building
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:17:41 AM): I understand this, but, if it�s not finalized, why was it released on the market, for it to be bought?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:17:48 AM): who approved this?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:17:50 AM): that�s what I don�t get
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:17:57 AM): it�s simple
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:18:00 AM): think again
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:18:35 AM): I�d rather you told me
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:18:36 AM):
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:19:03 AM): were you testing the reactions?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:19:09 AM): did you want to see what success it would have?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:19:19 AM): that�s what you do when you know the field
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:19:24 AM): it�s much said this way
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:19:41 AM): I was just looking for the mechanisms of something new
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:19:47 AM): which wasn�t done before

Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:21:48 AM): what about the urinary orgasm movies, did Grieg know about them?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:21:57 AM): did he know movies had been made?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:22:02 AM): for the large public?
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:22:09 AM): did he agree with it?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:22:42 AM): I don�t know about any movies being made
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:22:46 AM): maybe videoclips
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:23:08 AM): they aren�t videoclips
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:23:09 AM): this is complicated as well
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:23:16 AM): they are movies with the Erotic Art logo
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:23:19 AM): I�ve seen them
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:23:51 AM): I know the urinary orgasm was the �secret test� from Miss Shakti
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:23:59 AM): that was to be seen by Grieg only
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:24:17 AM): that�s why I�m asking you if Grieg agreed for those movies to be turned into DVDs
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:24:33 AM): sold in DK
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:25:19 AM): I do not wish to talk about this
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:25:30 AM): because of personal reasons?
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:25:34 AM): because it�s more complicated and there are also ill-meant people involved
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:25:52 AM): and they don�t know things that well
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:26:04 AM): the main ill-meant person is the one who allowed this to happen
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:26:10 AM): you are wrong

(translated by Deria)

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:37 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317

Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:04:07 AM): Mihai, what�s with those movies?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:11:47 AM): the movies are an experiences
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:11:51 AM): experience
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:03 AM): even if you lied to the girls?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:16 AM): when you told them the shots would be seen by Grieg only?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:12:31 AM): things are not that way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:35 AM): yes, they are, Mihai
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:37 AM): there are testimonies
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:40 AM): of the girls
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:47 AM): ruined lives
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:53 AM): out of credulousness
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:12:56 AM): and naivety
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:13:22 AM): Kingdom of Golden Pee is the secret test
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:13:27 AM): from Miss Shakti
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:13:31 AM): the urinary orgasm
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:13:37 AM): or am I wrong?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:13:51 AM): I think you�re wrong
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:14:02 AM): then explain it to me
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:14:41 AM): I can tell you what I know
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:15:02 AM): the things that I participated at, the people agreed with them� because I�m there as well.
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:15:07 AM): I�m listening
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:15:14 AM): you mean you don�t know?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:15:24 AM): that that movie is made without the girls� consent?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:15:46 AM): I mean, that is was sold as a movie, when they were told they were filming for Grieg only?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:15:50 AM): I saw some pictures on the Internet, someone gave them to me
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:15:55 AM): and that person told me there were MISA girls in them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:16:01 AM): for sure
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:16:16 AM): but when I looked at the pictures, some girls were even smoking
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:16:23 AM): whhaaattt?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:16:27 AM): well, I don�t know what pictures those are
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:16:28 AM): which I don�t think it was possible
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:16:53 AM): there is a site which has a chapter: MISA girls� or something like that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:17:03 AM): which site is that?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:17:05 AM): and where?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:17:17 AM): I only saw the movies
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:17:52 AM): there aren�t any girls smoking in the movies
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:17:58 AM): not in the movie
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:18:00 AM): there is a site
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:18:06 AM): which site, that�s what I�m asking you
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:18:16 AM): and the person who gave them to me told me that as some sensational news or something
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:20:22 AM): I can�t find it now...
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:20:32 AM): I don�t have that mail anymore
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:20:39 AM): the only pictures I know
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:20:41 AM): are these ones
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:20:59 AM): {0><0>http://www.gazetadecluj.ro/misa.htm
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:21:11 AM): no
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:21:15 AM): those are from a newspaper
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:21:23 AM): they are the only pictures I know
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:21:27 AM): and are from the movies
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:22:34 AM): I meant to point something out
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:22:41 AM): which is?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:23:14 AM): that many things are being told and that many people give themselves importance by telling this and that
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:23:24 AM): when Grieg was imprisoned in Malmo
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:23:50 AM): there was a girl in Bucharest who claimed that her female friend was taking fried postatoes to him in jail!!!
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:23:56 AM): and everybody believed her
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:24:21 AM): and were jumping at me, telling me why I don�t go there more often, to take their messages to him
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:25:05 AM): well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:25:11 AM): there are many people involved in this
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:26:37 AM): there wasn�t anybody!!
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:26:44 AM): he was in complete isolation!!!
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:27:03 AM): stories always appear
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:27:12 AM): if nobody demystifies them, they will be spread incessantly
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:27:17 AM): kept alive all the time
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:27:17 AM): and people took for granted what that girl used to say� until three more persons had to come from Bucharest, to talk to the chief of police
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:27:58 AM): I see
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:16 AM): why was there a fee, for the trance initiation?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:20 AM): is it needed?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:29 AM): for spiritual things?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:31:31 AM): there was a seminary here
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:31:37 AM): it�s normal for things to be this way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:42 AM): why normal?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:31:42 AM): I don�t know how it�s going to be in Romania
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:51 AM): what do you mean, you don�t know?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:31:58 AM): because it�s a seminary for a whole weekend
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:31:59 AM): well, didn�t you see the programme for the camp at Costinesti?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:32:02 AM): not yet
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:32:04 AM): it�s written clearly
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:32:07 AM): no, how come?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:32:12 AM): I believe you
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:32:15 AM): well, what kind of instructor are you?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:32:20 AM): people get to know things before you do???
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:32:21 AM): busy
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:32:27 AM): I have a camp here myself
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:32:33 AM): during these days
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:32:45 AM): what about the nude pictures, for participating at the camp, why are they always required?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:34:17 AM): nude pictures are never required
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:34:38 AM): I�ve heard this before, but required, for real, I don�t know about this for the camps
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:34:41 AM): it�s folklore
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:34:55 AM): that some people used to send such pictures� there were cases, but this is not required
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:35:01 AM): I know this for sure
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:36:11 AM): but they do require pictures, don�t they?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:36:37 AM): yes
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:36:54 AM): but I don�t see what�s bad in that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:37:15 AM): well, I was just asking, does the physical aspect matter in order to participate at the camps?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:37:21 AM): and those medical exams, why are they required?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:40:43 AM): the physical aspect reflects something
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:41:19 AM): besides, the lack of vitality exposes some people to problems during the camp
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:41:28 AM): what does vitality mean?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:41:35 AM): the medical exams are required because people want to feel intimately safe somehow
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:42:09 AM): right, they require HIV and syphilis, so that Chlamydia, Trichomonas, HPV can be spread
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:42:46 AM): unfortunately, there should be something done about these ones as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:42:48 AM): I agree
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:42:55 AM): but I don�t know what can there be done
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:43:00 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:43:12 AM): gee, Mihai, you really seem� there are tests, don�t you know?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:43:18 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:43:23 AM): just like there are for AIDS and syphilis
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:43:27 AM): there are for these other diseases as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:43:33 AM): but you can�t ask people to show you their whole medical file
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:43:45 AM): these are the basic ones
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:43:52 AM): it�s also a common sense matter
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:44:20 AM): HIV is a matter of life and death, so the test is necessary
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:44:23 AM): but to let them get sick and believe that they can heal themselves by their Master�s grace�
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:44:33 AM): this is an interpretation
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:44:38 AM): there is no such thing
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:44:40 AM): it�s a reality, unfortunately
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:45:13 AM): what do you think about a female dentist, MISA member, who let her husband die in front of her, him having tuberculosis?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:45:48 AM): because that�s what she was taught to think, not to turn to normal medicine?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:46:28 AM): you should know people also die without being taught anything by anybody
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:46:34 AM): he didn�t die because of this
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:46:51 AM): I�ve heard about that case
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:47:12 AM): he died because of that woman�s stupidity
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:47:14 AM): and sometimes people exaggerate
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:47:16 AM): you may have heard about it
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:47:26 AM): meaning they are too zealous
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:47:30 AM): but the account came from someone who talked with that morron woman
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:48:05 AM): the truth is, Mihai, you deny what�s evident
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:48:16 AM): the people who ask questions are considered schizophrenics
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:49:25 AM): I don�t consider them that way
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:49:40 AM): but I can�t simply accept what somebody thinks just because he or she has his or her own opinion
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:49:42 AM): but do you talk with them?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:49:46 AM): of course
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:49:52 AM): when I get the chance
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:50:29 AM): what about Japan?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:50:32 AM): and videochatting?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:50:36 AM): are these spiritual things?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:50:41 AM): evolution?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:51:18 AM): what about the army?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:51:33 AM): does it help many boys become men?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:51:39 AM): my opinion is that there are no lies in the army
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:51:56 AM): there is no premise that striptease helps you evolve spiritually
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:52:02 AM): why don�t you send men as well?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:52:04 AM): ???
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:52:10 AM): don�t they need to evolve?

Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:52:56 AM): Mihai, why don�t you all tell the truth from the very start?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:02 AM): at the opening conferences?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:53:02 AM): which start?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:08 AM): the personality cult
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:53:11 AM): is that the start?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:12 AM): sleeping with Grieg
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:17 AM): Japan
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:19 AM): vchat
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:29 AM): why don�t you tell all this to those students who come to you open-hearted?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:34 AM): so that they should know what awaits them?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:53:40 AM): but this is not what awaits them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:53:44 AM): !!!
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:48 AM): take Marian�s open letter as a sample
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:50 AM): from the forum
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:53:59 AM): this is not what awaits the?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:54:03 AM): *them
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:54:14 AM): really?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:54:27 AM): then why are 1st year girls invited to go to Japan?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:54:32 AM): 1st year, Mihai
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:55:02 AM): oh, and another thing, why do you copy things from western books, in order to write your courses, without giving any thanks to their authors?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:55:12 AM): even more, then you call them half-learned afterwards?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:59:32 AM): this issue, copying without mentioning the source, is about to get solved� but sometimes the texts are extensively modified
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:59:40 AM): and even when it comes to integrating them in a context
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:59:43 AM): you mean, you modify them?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:59:43 AM): which is essential
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:59:48 AM): yes
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 1:59:51 AM): on the other hand
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:59:55 AM): why do you modify them?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 1:59:59 AM): what�s your purpose?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:00:04 AM): you invent things?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:00:25 AM): so that they should match a certain spiritual vision� which is not invented� but comes from above
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:00:55 AM): a certain spiritual vision?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:00:58 AM): whose vision?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:01:02 AM): who gives you this power?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:02:58 AM): from the one who gave power to the author of the book as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:03:10 AM): from God, I believe
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:03:11 AM): don�t you say...
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:03:17 AM): of course, this can be contradicted
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:03:30 AM): the Christian God sends knowledge to Hindu people, who don't know Him in any way?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:03:33 AM): that�s a good one
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:03:41 AM): this is a speculation
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:03:53 AM): nobody said anything like that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:00 AM): how do you know you interpreted the texts correctly?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:04:07 AM): I believe
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:08 AM): and this isn�t a speculation as well?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:04:11 AM): I believe in this
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:12 AM): do you have experts?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:17 AM): to translate from the original sources?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:04:20 AM): of course it can be a speculation
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:22 AM): from Sanskrit
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:25 AM): Tibetan
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:26 AM): Pali?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:04:29 AM): do you?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:04:42 AM): sometimes we work with translated texts
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:04:49 AM): into English or French
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:05:02 AM): true, but any translation causes the loss of something from the original
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:05:05 AM): and the experts don�t cover the spiritual part


mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:05:26 AM): you know very well that Christianity has also maundered with all its Vatican experts!
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:05:43 AM): well, why should Christianity make an exception?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:05:46 AM): and they didn�t have to come out with many sources
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:05:52 AM): but our discussion is not about Christianity
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:05:58 AM): I didn't say it should make an exception
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:06:04 AM): I said anything can be interpreted
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:06:14 AM): both for the good and for the bad, and the experts don�t help at all
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:17 AM): true, but it would have been nice to say
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:20 AM): translation from�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:28 AM): in the interpretation of�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:34 AM): Grieg shouldn�t have put his signature on everything
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:06:39 AM): he doesn�t do that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:40 AM): it�s not his credits there
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:42 AM): yeah, right
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:06:43 AM): you are exaggerating
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:06:58 AM): there are so many works with Grieg�s name on them�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:07:02 AM): look on Wikipedia
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:07:42 AM): well, let�s say we cleared the matter of the books up
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:07:52 AM): let�s move on to the vchat
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:07:56 AM): what�s it good for?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:08:06 AM): what does a girl masturbating in front of the camera transmit?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:08:35 AM): if that�s all she does, then she transmit an erotic state and nothing more
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:09:03 AM): and she doesn�t do much for her either� unless she is quite rigid sexually� meaning frigid
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:09:08 AM): but the girls from MISA, who do this, why are they special?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:09:11 AM): this way, maybe she receives something
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:09:16 AM): what do they have extra?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:09:37 AM): the people from MISA are people in the first instance
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:09:45 AM): that�s why they should be treated as people
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:09:46 AM): yeah, poor them
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:09:56 AM): well, you told them vchat is good
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:10:02 AM): and then they experience something
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:06 AM): you tell them it�s for a spiritual purpose
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:10 AM): you trick them heavily
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:14 AM): and you take the cash
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:16 AM): that's the problem
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:33 AM): just like with Japan
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:10:43 AM): karma yoga, right?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:13:09 AM): look
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:13:34 AM): do you know the joke with John who went to milk the cow?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:13:50 AM): maybe I do, but tell it anyhow
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:14:20 AM): John goes to milk the cow and, while he was doing that, the cow hits the bucket and spills the milk
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:14:45 AM): John gets angry, grabs a piece of rope and ties the cow's leg to a pole
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:15:07 AM): he starts milking the cow again and the cow hits the bucket with the other leg
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:15:30 AM): and so he ties the animal again�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:15:34 AM): and then Mary comes and catches him...
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:16:02 AM): right
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:16:19 AM): and when she sees him behind the cow, trying to tie the animal�s tail as well�
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:16:30 AM): he can�t explain it to her
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:16:40 AM): because what she sees... is obvious
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:16:45 AM): yes
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:16:46 AM): things are like that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:16:55 AM): well, I know this:
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:17:02 AM): 1. There are a lot of lies at MISA
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:17:11 AM): 2. There is the personality cult at MISA
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:17:20 AM): 3. There are erotic and porno movies made at MISA
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:17:29 AM): 4. Drugs have been taken by some people at MISA
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:17:56 AM): 5. There are so-called spiritual activities at MISA, such as vchat and Japan
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:18:00 AM): and we want to fuck the cow, 'cause if we say we want to milk it, you won't believe us
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:10 AM): well, I�d like to believe you
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:13 AM): you see
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:17 AM): but what should I believe?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:20 AM): anymore?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:24 AM): I can find excuses myself
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:27 AM): for anything
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:31 AM): but there�s a limit to everything
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:39 AM): for me, this is not spirituality
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:18:44 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:18:44 AM): I don�t know how you feel about it
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:18:59 AM): because, over what you know about spirituality
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:08 AM): there are things that are not that way
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:18 AM): and the result is� John fucking the cow
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:25 AM): you should know I perfectly understand what you are saying
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:19:30 AM): for me, a spiritual man, who claims to be a Master, must demonstrate unstained morality
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:19:34 AM): you see
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:40 AM): and I�m not calm because I�m arrogant
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:19:42 AM): snow-white
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:47 AM): or because I don�t take into account what you are saying
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:19:51 AM): I wasn�t thinking about that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:19:54 AM): I�m calm myself
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:19:59 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:03 AM): I write calmly, I told you, I�d like to understand
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:20:11 AM): but I confronted myself to such dilemmas as well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:12 AM): why?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:21 AM): and you got to the conclusion
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:27 AM): that the Master knows better
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:29 AM): Mihai
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:20:30 AM): and on finding the answers, I realized it was far more complicated than I had thought
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:34 AM): from your point of view
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:40 AM): did Grieg make any mistakes or didn't he?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:20:59 AM): why was it far more complicated?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:08 AM): because I realized what my position was
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:15 AM): and that nobody would believe me
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:22:23 AM): why not?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:27 AM): except for those who would ever milk the cow
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:30 AM): in our example
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:37 AM): our joke
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:41 AM): that�s why
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:48 AM): long talk
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:22:55 AM): are you in Romania?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:23:42 AM): yes, I am
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:23:46 AM): not that it would matter
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:23:57 AM): so, from your point of view, did Grieg make any mistakes or didn�t he?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:21 AM): I also wrote on SP
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:23 AM): no, he didn't
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:38 AM): if you agree, I�m willing to meet you and have a talk
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:24:46 AM): so, he didn�t
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:48 AM): �cause we'll use the keyboard up presenting our points of view
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:24:49 AM): hm...
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:51 AM): at least it works
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:24:54 AM): and what would be the purpose?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:24:55 AM): faster that way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:25:00 AM): of Grieg�s actions?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:25:14 AM): do you see it?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:25:17 AM): do you understand it?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:25:24 AM): sharing with others what he also has
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:25:29 AM): I often see it
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:25:35 AM): and I understand it better and better
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:25:37 AM): the purpose, I mean
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:25:40 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:25:43 AM): not Grieg
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:25:46 AM): I understand the purpose
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:26:04 AM): not all the time... during stormy times... I sometimes think
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:26:09 AM): and this is the test
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:26:21 AM): oh, so the striptease girls, the movies, the lies, throwing mud at disciples on their death bed, all is OK?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:26:25 AM): Mihai
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:26:29 AM): is murder OK?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:26:39 AM): you say that Grieg doesn�t make mistakes, that he is spotless
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:26:43 AM): what about murder, Mihai?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:27:09 AM): do you think it�s fair to advise girls to have an abortion by uddhyana bandha and nauli kryia?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:27:25 AM): do you think it�s OK for a spiritual Master, like you say Grieg is, to recommend this?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:27:30 AM): is it OK, is it moral?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:28:44 AM): not even the Church has the answer for this
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:28:50 AM): I�m asking you
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:28:53 AM): not the Church
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:28:56 AM): you have a Master
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:28:59 AM): who is Grieg
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:02 AM): and who does this
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:05 AM): recommends this
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:08 AM): do you agree?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:08 AM): in the cases that I saw, yes, I agree
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:12 AM): I repeat
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:18 AM): in the cases that I saw
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:24 AM): and what would those cases be?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:27 AM): how many weeks?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:38 AM): cases in which they did something like this
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:47 AM): and cases in which he advised them not to do it
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:29:50 AM): on the contrary
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:29:55 AM): really?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:30:06 AM): I thought children were hindering one�s spiritual evolution�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:30:42 AM): I repeat, from your point of view, what�s the maximum age of the fetus, so that the abortion should be OK?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:32:16 AM): things are not that way!!!
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:27 AM): what�s not that way?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:32:35 AM): all this is a collage from gossips and affirmations of Grieg�s
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:39 AM): no
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:32:41 AM): and the result is something monstrous
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:32:43 AM): and I can see why
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:45 AM): these are things seen
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:47 AM): by instructors
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:54 AM): by that instructor, more specifically
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:32:59 AM): who drafted a list
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:33:02 AM): of questions
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:33:07 AM): for Simona T
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:33:18 AM): list that was never taken into consideration
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:33:24 AM): it�s split data as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:33:51 AM): the list cannot be treated this way, you know�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:33:58 AM): so you know about the list�
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:34:06 AM): of course
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:34:10 AM): from SP
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:15 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:25 AM): OK, but what about Monica Cesa�s muddying?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:28 AM): the double-dealer?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:34:31 AM): auch, auch, auch
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:36 AM): who was dying and Grieg was throwing mud at her?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:41 AM): would you do something like that?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:34:46 AM): or would you like someone else to do it to you?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:34:51 AM): what about Monica�s muddying by those who played the angry part afterwards////
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:07 AM): well, but not when she�s dying
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:16 AM): when you have something to tell to a person
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:35:16 AM): right at that moment
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:35:24 AM): and in an even more embarrassing manner
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:24 AM): tell it to them while they are still alive
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:28 AM): I understand
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:31 AM): but those people
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:35:32 AM): painful praise
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:36 AM): don�t claim to be Masters
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:38 AM): as Grieg does
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:35:44 AM): Grieg is compared to Jesus
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:36:40 AM): I don�t
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:36:50 AM): people who make excesses are everywhere
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:37:00 AM): true, but Grieg also maintains them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:37:12 AM): I�ve heard some quite amusing things at the Romanian Academy
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:37:22 AM): why did he sleep with underage girls and fooled them that he was burning their karma away?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:37:32 AM): wasn�t it simpler to tell them he was fucking them for his own pleasure?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:37:36 AM): and they are academicians there
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:37:52 AM): yeah, I know what their minds are capable of, but answer my question
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:39:27 AM): you want me to answer question number 385
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:39:34 AM): there are others before this one
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:39:43 AM): otherwise, you�ll say I�m fucking the cow

mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:41:12 AM): what should we do, you need answers and I need whole pages just to start
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:41:21 AM): in order to explain some things
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:41:22 AM): make it short and clear
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:41:26 AM): not to JUSTIFY
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:41:58 AM): let me see if I got it right, you just say �yes� or �no�, OK?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:42:18 AM): so, Grieg is a spiritual Master, from your point of view, true?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:42:24 AM): who doesn�t make mistakes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:42:38 AM): because all his actions have a purpose that you came to see ever clearer
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:42:40 AM): true?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:43:01 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:43:55 AM): but what is this purpose?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:44:12 AM): that of sharing with others
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:44:16 AM): what he is
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:44:18 AM): that�s what you say
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:44:39 AM): and that the fact he doesn�t make mistakes is in line with this purpose� to accomplish God�s will� and there you have the cow
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:44:39 AM): this means we don�t understand a thing, we don�t have your insight
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:44:55 AM): OK, God�s will
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:04 AM): who can know what God�s will is?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:06 AM): Grieg
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:08 AM): and why?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:11 AM): well, because he�s a Master
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:18 AM): and that�s how we end up turning in circles
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:19 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:45:24 AM): or around the cow�s tail
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:45:28 AM):
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:45:39 AM): I told you
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:45:57 AM): that, if I budge but an inch more� that�s it, I�ve fallen and I�m faulty
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:46:12 AM): no, not that way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:46:18 AM): �cause I see how you think
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:46:26 AM): you don�t see how we think, but that�s another problem
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:46:28 AM):
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:47:11 AM): why do you think I don�t see
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:47:19 AM): I just told you I see and I understand
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:47:27 AM): and I even gave you an example
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:47:29 AM): that I understand
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:47:34 AM): well, if you say Grieg makes no mistakes, what�s the point in us asking questions?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:47:39 AM): we don�t have that level anyhow
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:47:43 AM): yes, I know what you�ve told me
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:47:54 AM): it�s not that way
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:48:01 AM): I mean, not that strict
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:48:12 AM): some questions can be answered
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:48:23 AM): well, can�t you see we condemn exactly the things you say Grieg does to fulfill the divine will?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:48:28 AM): and they lead even to debates
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:48:46 AM): that�s what should make you wonder
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:48:58 AM): unless you suspect me of having a hidden interest in this
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:49:03 AM): because then, the interest justifies just about anything
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:49:09 AM): well, it does make me wonder, I have a consciousness, you know
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:49:23 AM): and I don�t say it arrogantly
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:49:31 AM): I say it because I confronted myself with it
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:50:03 AM): the thing is, Mihai � we assume we have an honest talk here, so the thing is
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:50:10 AM): and each and every one of us
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:50:14 AM): has his or her morality
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:50:21 AM): and morality is needed
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:51:00 AM): and this morality makes us shout out loud that the spiritual evolution MISA proposes is nothing but a lie
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:51:26 AM): I believe that a spiritual Master shouldn�t do what Grieg did
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:37 AM): O
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:38 AM): OK
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:40 AM): I understand
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:45 AM): and it�s faire
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:48 AM): fair
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:51:52 AM): the way you put the matter
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:02 AM): but I�m asking you to see the reflection in the mirror as well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:10 AM): I do, unfortunately
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:14 AM): I mean, put me in the same scheme as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:23 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:25 AM): I already did that
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:27 AM):
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:36 AM): that's why I was telling you it was far more complicated
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:38 AM): you send me love or what is that?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:41 AM):
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:42 AM): not that I�m up and you are down
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:51 AM): or viceversa
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:52:53 AM): oh, I was amazed as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:52:58 AM): far from me this thought
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:53:20 AM): but because we are honest and on irreconciliable positions, apparently
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:53:43 AM): obviously, GOD will disentangle this world
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:53:47 AM): and this situation as well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:53:56 AM): maybe some things can still be changed, if, if someone from MISA, someone important, comes up front
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:00 AM): and explains everything
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:03 AM): like they should do
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:11 AM): something like �we let ourselves be blinded by power�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:15 AM): we have ego
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:18 AM): we aren�t perfect
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:31 AM): we believed in what we were doing
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:36 AM): we didn�t want to hurt anybody
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:40 AM): but to be honest
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:54:45 AM): crystal-clear
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:55:33 AM): I say that, if you care about your students, about their souls, about what they invested in you, that would be fair
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:55:43 AM): if not, of course, everybody does what their hearts tells them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:56:59 AM): I agree
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:57:18 AM): well, and if you agree, when are you going to do it?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:57:25 AM): time will catch up with you as well
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:57:37 AM): when things are clear
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:57:43 AM): meaning?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:57:55 AM): because you can�t just go and do something like that� because it�s just as stupid
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:57:55 AM): what pieces are missing?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:57:59 AM): many
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:58:02 AM): a lot
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:05 AM): why is it just as stupid?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:07 AM): and why many?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:58:19 AM): you say: do this and everything is going to be all right�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:21 AM): the RIS will come and question you, or what?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:23 AM): the masonry?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:58:25 AM): and maybe I tend to agree with you
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:27 AM): or whom?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:31 AM): that�s what I would do
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:58:34 AM): yes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:36 AM): when I know I�ve wronged somebody
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:58:56 AM): I do everything I can to put things right
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:03 AM): maybe I acted hastily
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:59:11 AM): but then this person comes to you, you think what you did was something normal
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:59:25 AM): and says for him or her it was a hard blow
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:32 AM): of course
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:34 AM): but
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:37 AM): but
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:59:41 AM): you see
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:43 AM): is it OK for him or her to be living in lies?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 2:59:45 AM): now you offer something
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:48 AM): with the idea that they will liberate themselves?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 2:59:52 AM): in 17 years of courses?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:00:01 AM): in thousands of years
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:04 AM): MISA didn�t produce any Liberated person, Mihai
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:00:12 AM): evolution is not something simple
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:14 AM): they promise you will get paranormal abilities
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:19 AM): through practice
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:23 AM): nobody there has
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:29 AM): any paranormal abilities
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:00:36 AM): the same positions again, you should know
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:00:43 AM): and I�m a scientist myself
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:00:51 AM): I thought you were a lawyer
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:00:55 AM): ?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:01:00 AM): how come?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:01:17 AM): maybe because of the style
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:01:19 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:01:28 AM): MISA�s� lawyer
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:01:45 AM): until some years ago, I worked at the Romanian Academy as a researcher
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:01:58 AM): not that it would matter
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:02:10 AM): but not lawyer
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:02:47 AM): and yet�
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:03:12 AM): all right
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:03:28 AM): you see, the world is not ready for MISA
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:03:31 AM): not like this
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:03:52 AM): I don�t see anything spiritual in those pee movies
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:03:55 AM): anything at all
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:04:01 AM): if that�s what you�ve wanted
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:04:27 AM): I understand this as well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:04:43 AM): do you know the movie titles?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:04:49 AM): now the thing is... do I give up or do you give up?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:04:52 AM): besides the one you made?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:05:26 AM): the titles don�t matter because as far as I know, the ones who ensure their distribution make tens of divisons
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:05:30 AM): divisions
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:05:35 AM): on the so-called movies
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:05:39 AM): so you don�t know them personally�
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:05:40 AM): and they insert material from everywhere
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:05:44 AM): you don't know who appears in them�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:05:50 AM): when the shooting took place...
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:05:59 AM): when the variants for sale were made�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:06:03 AM): hm...
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:06:09 AM): so should I understand that you are led as well?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:06:18 AM): do you operate on limited information?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:06:29 AM): you mean, like RSI?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:06:35 AM): meaning everybody knows just one little part?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:06:44 AM): without any connection to the other small parts?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:07:45 AM): Mihai, I have another question
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:08:48 AM): if one day, something stronger than your conviction that Grieg is a Master, a truly special man, appeared to you so powerfully, that it would shatter you, let�s say
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:09:00 AM): and it showed you that you believed in a fake for so long
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:09:12 AM): a worthless man, both morally and spiritually
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:09:15 AM): what would you do?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:10:27 AM): I would do what I must do in that situation with my mind from then
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:10:33 AM): obviously
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:10:34 AM): such as?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:11:07 AM): do you know that, when I was an adolescent, I used to believe that actually communism wasn�t understood by people
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:11:16 AM): and that they were a bunch of fools to oppose it so hard
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:11:43 AM): I refused to take for granted what the people around me used to tell me
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:11:46 AM): now Grieg is not understood by people
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:11:48 AM): I wanted to understand
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:12:16 AM): and when I did understand, I was getting ready to make manifests in college
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:12:25 AM): in �89
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:12:27 AM): make manifests now
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:12:27 AM):
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:12:30 AM): tell the truth
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:12:36 AM): tell people you made mistakes as well
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:15:06 AM): so, let�s return
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:15:09 AM): what would you do?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:15:14 AM): how would you react?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:16:41 AM): what would your first thought be?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:16:57 AM): after the inherent shock, of course
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:17:37 AM): why the shock?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:17:48 AM): so there wouldn�t be any shock?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:17:56 AM): when I did something and then realized it was wrong, I confessed it publicly
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:17:58 AM): you believe for so many years and then you end up realizing you believed in vain...
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:18:03 AM): publicly
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:18:14 AM): oh, and in MISA�s case, you have no clear image on the mistakes, should I understand?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:18:16 AM): this with so many years, I don� have it anymore
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:18:21 AM): that�s why you don�t make them public?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:18:33 AM): I just said we both have honest positions
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:18:41 AM): we try to
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:19:02 AM): so it�s obvious I don�t consider there are any mistakes
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:19:13 AM): at all?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:19:23 AM): or some should not be revealed, because they affect several people and then one talks with those persons only
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:19:43 AM): well, Himawari says nobody talked
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:19:46 AM): with those many persons
Deria Leena (8/10/2007 12:13:52 AM): women, in our case
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:19:59 AM): they just saw themselves sold on the Internet
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:20:08 AM): what should we do, in this case?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:20:11 AM): is it fair?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:21:17 AM): it�s not fair
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:22 AM): and then?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:21:25 AM): and I don�t know whom you are talking about
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:39 AM): I�m talking about Kingdom of Golden Pee
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:21:40 AM): but it�s strange that she didn�t come to talk with anybody
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:46 AM): which shouldn�t exist
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:51 AM): well, she�s talking with you now
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:54 AM): and you know why?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:21:56 AM): now?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:22:04 AM): because she found out about it only now
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:22:16 AM): she discovered herself on the DVD, now
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:22:22 AM): only now, unfortunately
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:28:12 AM): I laughed at the idea that maybe someone took the recordings and sold them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:28:16 AM): but now I start to believe it
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:29:08 AM): so they were sold, that�s pretty sure, we all saw them
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:29:22 AM): the question is: what is there to be done?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:30:36 AM): if someone took the recordings without approval and sold them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:30:55 AM): we must see what the situation is and who are the persons affected
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:01 AM): well, do it
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:03 AM): what are you waiting for?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:06 AM): take the movie
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:08 AM): watch it
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:13 AM): all the women appearing in it are affected
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:20 AM): about the other pee movies, I don�t know what�s with them
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:26 AM): but about this one, we know from this girl
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:31:31 AM): from Himawari
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:33:16 AM): she knows where to find me
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:33:22 AM): when I come to Bucharest
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:33:26 AM): if she�s for real
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:33:29 AM): well, can you be trusted?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:33:32 AM):
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:33:33 AM): because I was just telling you about the rumours
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:33:37 AM): yes, I know them
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:33:44 AM): and I really don�t agree with them
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:33:49 AM): so� I had huge surprises
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:33:53 AM): Mihai
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:04 AM): I�m cautious on good grounds
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:04 AM): what do these movies mean to you?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:12 AM): do you find them spiritual?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:16 AM): why were they made?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:24 AM): the ones that I know have a meaning
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:27 AM): spiritual meaning
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:31 AM): but Kingdom
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:32 AM): which are the ones that you know?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:38 AM): doesn't sound like it's really been made by us
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:44 AM): come on, Mihai
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:34:46 AM): don�t be naive
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:34:53 AM): I�m not saying it doesn�t contain images
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:35:01 AM): I bet it�s a collage
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:35:08 AM): I can really bet
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:35:09 AM): watch it
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:35:14 AM): and then think
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:35:15 AM): because I know how it�s done
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:35:26 AM): I�ve seen how they are working, in this industry
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:35:42 AM): I don�t believe Himawari is lying, Mihai
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:36:38 AM): I didn�t say that
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:36:45 AM): I�m saying that she knows where to find me if she wants to
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:36:51 AM): and I didn�t beat anybody up
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:36:58 AM): although people say I did
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:37:03 AM): didn�t here about something like that
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:37:13 AM): but my friends say I�m a clement person
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:37:19 AM): so she can come to me and clear the matter up
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:37:37 AM): I find these comings right on the front page suspect
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:37:44 AM): meaning?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:37:56 AM): meaning, without talking to people
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:08 AM): well, whom should she talk to, whom should she trust
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:09 AM): ?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:12 AM): what do you think
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:29 AM): people also have a life outside MISA, Mihai
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:35 AM): jobs they can lose
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:38:47 AM): you are proud of your performance in the movie
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:39:01 AM): this girl is shocked that something like this could have happened
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:43:14 AM): you understand?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:43:27 AM): and what would be MISA�s relation with the masonry, anyhow?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:45:03 AM): it seems MISA irritated the masonry
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:45:08 AM): and they are crying out
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:45:22 AM): I�ve had some meetings with them, quite unbelievable
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:45:24 AM): but if MISA irritated the masonry
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:45:33 AM): what on earth is Grieg doing in Sweden?
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:45:37 AM): where the king himself is a mason?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:45:52 AM): question number 265 again
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:10 AM): the masonry is not some sort of absolute government
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:22 AM): they would like to be, but are still on their path
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:46:27 AM): but isn�t this like walking right into the wolf�s mouth?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:33 AM): otherwise� Grieg wouldn�t have been anywhere now
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:36 AM): in this world
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:46:38 AM): maybe Grieg became a mason and you don�t know
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:44 AM): no
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:46:59 AM): it�s like an aikido game
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:47:11 AM): if you know how things are there
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:47:24 AM): you play on your opponent�s energy
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:47:32 AM): because there are more chances that way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:47:56 AM): hm...
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:48:03 AM): so you go to your opponent
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:48:09 AM): just to use his or her energy?
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:48:14 AM): there, near him, the system is not so well organized
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:48:17 AM): well, kind of malefic, that energy
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:48:30 AM): aikido is a spiritual path
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:48:45 AM): don�t label it that easily, for I haven�t explained a thing
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:48:50 AM): that�s why it seems that way
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:49:46 AM): spiritual path�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:49:55 AM): martial arts�
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:50:01 AM): I guess you can see it that way, too
mihai Stoian (8/10/2007 12:16:34 AM): yes, you can
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:51:15 AM): and it�s not even that hard, but this, with martial arts, is not a good match� at least not in the case of aikido
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:52:05 AM): well, you know
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:52:07 AM): not me
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:52:34 AM): all right
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:55:21 AM): I�ll be off now
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:55:24 AM): good night
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:55:28 AM): I noticed
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:55:28 AM): I�ll be online again
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:55:32 AM): and now you have me in your list
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:55:34 AM): good night to you too
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:55:36 AM): I�m always online
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:55:55 AM): then we�ll talk again
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:56:00 AM): sure
mihai Stoian (7/23/2007 3:56:05 AM): truth is born out of contradictions
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:56:05 AM): no problem
Deria Leena (7/23/2007 3:56:07 AM):

(translated by Deria)

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:40 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317

In the Public Prosecutor's charge, posted on forum, appears countless times the name of Carmen Enache.

For the beginning, about the show from the hall called "Sala Polivalenta", from march 2002:

In this respect, is point out that the images were broadcasted by the „Antena 1” TV channel in the „Observator” transmission (page 2, tome 87) and „B 1 TV” channel in the "News" („Ştiri”) and "The Godfather" („Naşul”) transmissions (page 11, tome 87), and respectively in the "Ziua" newspaper, in the articles named "Orgy for the guru" (pages 210-211, tome 87) „Bivolaru mock at the law for six years" (pages 212-213, tome 87) and "The view of a great yogi: what Bivolaru makes is not yoga" (page 214, tome 87)"

I put all the quotation because here appear Calin Aida, Simona Lungu, Petrea Cristina and Stoenescu Catrinel – that played in the porno films from MISA which we have on forum - To pee or not to pee and Secrets of seduction.

Also in the Public Prosecutor's charge, if you search for the Sophrozin Theater, it appears in addition the following “wonder”:

- at witness IONESCU LUCIA:
Regarding the MISA activity of realizing some films with erotic and pornographic character, having as protagonists yoga students, the witness declare that she heard, personal from BIVOLARU GREGORIAN, that these films were commercialized abroad, in countries like: Denmark (country where a strong MISA branch activated), Germany, etc., the „Sophrozin” theater having broadcasting contracts for which important sums of money were obtained. page 190 report – vol. 77"

And in the same Public Prosecutor's charge:
In the period 2002-2003, the named GAINA CRISTINA called me to the Sophrozin Theater residence to talk with me about the BIVOLARU GREGORIAN’s solicitation to go in Greece and to really take part in shooting a film for adults (erotic).
It was told to us that this action is in karma-yoga conditions and that I will have the traveling and the accommodation assured, and that I will have to buy my foods. CRISTINA GaINa put me to swear on the Bible that our talk will remain secret and that nobody will hear about it. She also specified several times that BIVOLARU GREGORIAN indicated me as being the suitable person, seeing that I utterly refuse to participate to this action. Page 181 holograph, page 181 verso, holograph, page 202 formulary – vol. 89.

In the period 2001-2004 the named ENACHE CARMEN was yoga student and MISA adept. Likewise, under her direction the Sophrozin Theater activity took place. At the same time, the theater activity carried on with the help of the yogi actors and the yogi students that made karma-yoga. The performances were directed by ENACHE CARMEN, and she with BIVOLARU GREGORIAN were establishing the performance scenes, the stage management, the way how the play will go on. page 202 formulary – vol. 89.

(translated by Cos)

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:41 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317

6. Personal experiences.

I said yes in the winter 2003, to take over and be responsible for the shop Kubera, in Natha Yogacenter, on a voluntary basis - a karma yogi. I felt some resistence towards the task being completely green in the field of leading a company. I started the task with insecure feets, walking slow and gentle. A new world of health products painted my life and a large number of opportunities in getting cure for almost whatever disease of dysfunction the body or mind could have. I met many different people on fairs and other places in connection with either buying or trying to co-operate with their or our products. In the very beginning I had a strong experience of integration. Always the people I needed appeared in the right time, and the things I personally needed - and which I could not affort or get myself - appeared through the people around me. Leaving me in the feeling that life itself took care of me. I was 21 years old, open minded, curious, eager to evolve personally and spiritually and totally new and naive in the area of business. I became friends with all I met in the field and believe that because of my very apparant innocence and natural way of being, I attracted helpful, trustworthy people who I made some deals with, selling their products in Kubera. The work with Kubera required my development as a person and it became in time a hard task for me. Feeling alone and small with a task to big for me to fulfil. I had some resources of guidance which I did not use, being afraid of getting more things on my shoulders that I could not fulfil and being afraid of critic. I have experienced and learned a lot in this period of working with Kubera, most of all, seeing that the fundament of making anything work, is an awakened heart. A thing can only grow, when you put your heart into it.


Work is Love made visible

Natha yoga center - About us - Yogateacher Graduation: Final Assignments - Work is Love made visible
Teacher project by Celestine Andersen, 27th August 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200702221000 ... &item=2475

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:41 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317
viewtopic.php?p=2367#p2367 Posted by klopete Wed Nov 07 , 2007 3:46 am

How do you call the fact, that the movies of the water melon eating girls were selled at the market without informing them and without giving them any of the money?
But that they ruined their public image ?
Don’t think that, what I’m telling you is the fruit of the last years , no way !
I participated at the fixing of the aerial antenna on the *căsută* (romanian diminutive for house ; place where MISA adepts used to meet Grieg) around 1992/1993 and found a mountain of videos all full of porno movies.
It was a satellite reciever with a pirated card ,because only that was possible in romania at that time ,from which they ilegaly recorded (copied) all porno movies available on the adult channels with help of one or more VHS recorders .
Many years later I realized, that it actually was documentary material for the.
It took me 8 years to get it .

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:44 pm 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317
Erotic movie shot in Church on Realitatea TV

Gardianul journalists claim an erotic movie entitled “Secrets of Seduction”, produced in 2001, contains certain frames shot in the Catholic Cathedral and Military Chapel of Constanta. In those scenes, the main character, wearing a skimpy outfit, is touching herself while dreaming of a man. The woman is then filmed on the beach where she meets a young man she has a fling with.

Emil Berdeli, Gardianul journalist:
This is the story of a woman entering a Catholic Church, where she plays with her breasts, invokes divinity and seems to think of divinity as a male. Here she is entering an Orthodox Church and doing the same thing.

After seeing the movie, Gardianul journalists discovered a resemblance between the two churches in the film and two Constanta churches.

Mihnea Petre Parvu, Gardianul journalist:
After identifying the churches, we talked to the priests who were appalled and said they would have never approved such a shooting to take place.

Journalists also noticed the movie was shot in broad daylight, which means someone in the church should have been aware of it.

Enache Dragus, priest:
They used the church abusively. The people who made this movie are irresponsible.

How long have you been working here?
Dorobantu Aneta, church maintenance worker:
I've been working here 8 years.
So you were here six years ago?
Yes, I was.
How do you think it was possible for that woman to come here?
I don't know, this is the first time I heard about this case in 6 years. You realize there are all sorts of people coming here, mostly beggars who verbally abuse us.

I don't believe this actually happened, not in an Orthodox church.
What if it did happen?
I have no words to describe it, I'm really grossed out by these things.

Representatives of the MISA yoga movement lead by Gregorian Bivolaru could not be reached for comment. The case was featured in the Gardianul daily, in an article entitled “Blasphemy – Corrupted churches”. Several years ago, another “Secrets of Seduction” movie was discussed in a newspaper article, leading to the exclusion of a Bucharest judge.

Download available: here.


 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:49 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317

The forensic survey performed by INEC (National Institute for Forensic Analysis) reveals 3 very strong proofs

The evidentiary support for “porno judge” immorality

Simona Lungu (the one with coronet)

“Averea” newspaper came upon some undeniable evidence which proves indubitably the fact that Simona Lungu – ex and present member of MISA – manifested for years a naked morality in public, aside of her juridical profession: sometimes as prosecutor, sometimes as lawyer, sometimes judge.

The photos Simona Lungu denied being of her, have been compared and with her portrait and declared as reflecting her image, by the Forensic Survey – Report no. 188 / November 01, 2004.

The forensic report made at CSM request (The Superior Council of Magistrates) by dr. eng. Catalin Grigoras, from INEC – Justice Department (note – only the conclusions of this report are made public) mentions photos and video images that are not given to the press (not made public) until now. “Averea” presents today these proofs, which demonstrate the low morality of Simina lungu.

She used to perform, within MISA, repulsive erotic rituals, while as judge at the Court House no. 2 and later to the Bucharest Court she was wearing a robe, of severe look, as the provider of law and justice. We point out that all of this wouldn’t have been abnormal if Simona Lungu were a simple citizen (and not a judge).

In fact, the profession of porn actress could be an honorable activity, as long as your other activities don’t impose you to have a higher moral status. But, according with the code of the magistrates, a person wearing a robe should be an example for the society, with an intact image.

INEC forensic survey contains 3 strong evidence:

1 – the video cassette – commercialized in Demark called "The Secrets of Seduction - the most supererotic short stories";

2 – photo no. 8, showing Simona Lungu, wearing a coronet, at the sea side in Costinesti, naked, with other eight young girls from MISA, completely naked as well;

3 – six video cassettes made by SRI agents – The Investigation Agency of Bucharest, at the sexual collective orgy from “Sala Polivalenta” theatre, organized MISA on the evening of March 12 /13, 2002, for “guru” Gregorian Bivolaru’s pompous birthday party.

Regarding the video cassette "The Secrets of Seduction", where a woman wearing heavy make-up is exposing her genital organs in front of the camera, from the front, but also on her back, the forensic survey made the conclusion that “The person from the movie «The Secrets of Seduction» is Miss Lungu Simona Florina”.

Regarding the photo no. 8 (see photo), the forensic survey says: “The person wearing coronet on the photo no. 8 is Miss Lungu Simona Florina".

See complete article in Averea.

(translated by llorena)

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:39 pm 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317
An excerpt from MISA’s indictment ( a testimony):
(here you can find the original viewtopic.php?p=835#p835)
During 2002-2003, Cristina Gaina called me at the headquarters of the Sophrozin Theatre, to talk with me about Mister Gregorian Bivolaru’s request – going to Greece and being involved in the making of an adult (erotic) movie. I was told it was a karma-yoga action and that my trip and accommodation fees would be paid for me, but I would have to provide my own food. Cristina Gaina made me swear on the Bible that our discussion would remain secret and that nobody would find out about it. Further more, she told me several times that Mister Gregorian Bivolaru indicated me as being the right person for the job, given that fact that I had previously denied all such requests. (Leaf 181, handwritten, Leaf 181 verso, handwritten, Leaf 202 form - Volume 89).

Also interesting for you the MISA videotapes listed in the indictment:


Note: Cristina Gaina is Christine from the The Magic Passage.

 Post subject: Re: MISA porn movies
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:42 am
Posts: 4317
Posted by Cosci

with a pencil and a piece of paper, let’s solve an equation...
On the course it’s rumoring that the films with the secret tests from the miss contests have been stolen by the public prosecutors and sold by them in foreign countries especially to compromise the great spiritual school that is MISA.
Let’s see if it’s true or not.
Step 1.
Let’s start from the [s]porno[/s]spiritual portal site - http://www.natha.net.
(To say it in brackets, - because I keep seeing that the history is rewritten on various sites, I attached also a few PrintScreens with the present stead – you can see them at the end of this post).
There we find, among others, also a banner to a kindred/ related site, namely http://www.kuberashop.dk/ , this one:
kubera.jpg [ 7.58 KiB | Viewed 12219 times ]

And thus we reach to the Step 2.
We enter on this site and we see that to the yoga>kurser section, is [s]porno[/s] promoted the Natha site.
What else interesting can we find on this kuberous site – I see! ....TAAAANTRAAAA ...Ja ...Ja ... tantriske film – what can that be? Tantrisch / Tantra films indeed?

Let’s make…
The step 3.

We enter on the page with “tantriske film” and what find we there...???
Well, what to find … those films stolen by the prosecutors … fancy the perverts! Just here have they thought proper to put up them for sale... to the kubera shop! (This Kubera is ruled there also by the one that ruled it here? I really would like to have some more words with that person…)
Hence what do we find:

The Secrets of Seductions (the film in which [s]don’t[/s]play the porno-MISA judge)
Exaltation of pee (where the candidates to miss shakti contest, vie in initiate way)
The Gigant Box … (that contains the above films plus the film in which Mihai Stoian - Paul Diamond - plays with his wife, Adina ex- Secara … from that you can see yet sequences here)
[note: after the press articles in the Romanian newspaper Gardianul in november 2007, the kubera advertising and the movies were removed from the NATHA website, that's why we made the screenshots and pdf's]

and to the music ... we find Indra ... Dan, they have stolen your plagiary CDs and they sell them in Denmark…!

So I am convinced ... the prosecutors stole the films… they sold them to the Danishes … and those Danishes being Masons, sell them on the shop site of Natha … (good that they don’t call it trading /business :) ). And also these reptilians, advertise the natha site… while as beasts as they are, they put also a banner to the shop on the spiritual portal http://www.natha.net.
What a smart conspiracy! You wouldn’t say that they are Romanian prosecutors… namely those prosecutors that delay the dossiers for years … and we don’t grasp to see any Patriciu or other corrupt into jail!

come to pornographic films, people, take porns! Ceap, cheap! Take the porn!!

The perverted minds can’t understand... for those men “opened” and “with aspiration”, in the above text is obviously present the phrase “initiating film for the spiritual awakening by means of the eroticism manifested pee pee ... etc" where the eye of the “perverted” one reads "porn".

And now the attached files pro-MISA:
kubera.jpg [ 83.55 KiB | Viewed 12614 times ]

kubera_index.jpg [ 159.83 KiB | Viewed 8755 times ]

kubera_natha.jpg [ 76.84 KiB | Viewed 12199 times ]

natha.jpg [ 297.03 KiB | Viewed 8762 times ]

I attach for all contingencies these .pdf files:
Kubera.pdf [183.72 KiB]
Downloaded 575 times
Pee.pdf [53.88 KiB]
Downloaded 613 times

(translated by cos)

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC + 2 hours

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group